Slobad. And it was slow. And it was bad. still, up to this day I love the little goblin. I even read the rather bad novels about him (well, ok, compared to some of the current novels they were practically high literature).
/u/bboomslang on Which deck is "more fun" (has more replayability, fits more varied tables – i.e. Magic Fests). Kenrith Commander Quarters style or Muldrotha Generic
„The core of my deck running Blue is drawing cards until I drown my enemies in value“ – just because Muldrotha has a different card advantage engine doesn‘t suddenly make all Muldrotha decks the same. It is a very versatile commander, because she is at…
Just repeating what others said: proxy. It is not fun to fight someone on the wallet level, as well as it is not fun stomping Someone on the wallet level. You could limit it a bit by saying any card owned by anyone in the group is fine for proxying, bu…
I like to go to 3q in Stax Decks that run orbs, because new lands come in untapped. Sure, you usually have ways to break parity, but one of the best ways to break parity on Stax is to just play a land more often. So my Lavinia list runs 31 despite her …
That is actually a neat budget bob I didn‘t know!
even there the discussion around it is rather low-key. It is mostly a pet project of Jim.
/u/bboomslang on I want to make a lock deck with big artifacts, and I would love your advice on the color combination to use
Lavinia Omen Pool would like to have a word with you: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/yZJ824J4Q0ykHel8bYEbuQ 😉 (it’s on the cEDH database) – with both Knowledge Pool and Omen Machine and hard locks with Lavinia, Drannith Magistrate and Threeferi, I thi…
I recently remembered that Mishra, Artificer Prodigy exists. He’s for a while now been one of those “almost there” cards that are definitely powerful enough to do some impressive things only for the supporting cast to just never get there. Given this and my quest to find something that fits this deck better than Narset (that isn’t named Tangle Wire), I decided to give him a shot in this.
2 Mishra, Artificer Prodigy
4 Echo of Eons
4 Lotus Petal
4 Mox Opal
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Tangle Wire
4 Urza’s Bauble
2 Mishra’s Bauble
4 Seat of the Synod
4 Ancient Tomb
1 Spire of Industry
2 Cavern of Souls
1 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Liquimetal Coating
1 Walking Ballista
2 Tormod’s Crypt
4 Force of Will
1 Plague Engineer
My thoughts on Mishra after about 10 matches:
- This card is really fun! Playing Mishra then doubling up on LEDs, Petals, and Opals very quickly gives you all the mana. Going turn 2 Mishra cast LED, put a second one into play for free, crack them both, Echoing, then doubling up on all the Baubles, Tangle Wires, and mana rocks in the new hand and immediately dumping that hand is one hell of a drug. As is playing something and doubling it, then saccing it and Emrying it back, doubling it again. I’m probably going to keep playing Mishra just because he is so fun.
- Cool factor aside, he was pretty good, definitely good enough to consider. While he has the Sai problem of requiring you to have artifacts to play after you cast him, his upside can be quite high. Doubling up on LEDs is completely degenerate, doubling up on baubles is a lot of value, doubling Opals and Petals give you huge bursts of mana, doubling Tangle Wire locks your opponent out of doing anything for 3 turns and Mishra + Emry is a match made in heaven. I could see something like running 2 copies of Wishclaw Talisman for more Mishra value. Also, unlike Sai, a 4 mana 4/4 is decent enough stats for the cost that he isn’t completely terrible if you have to just run him out with nothing to synergize with him.
- While Mishra may be a win more card, but he’s presently replacing Narset who is also a win more card. It’s worth nothing that Mishra is much better from behind than Narset is as the only real way this deck has to defend planeswalkers is building a giant board, or Karning for Bridge. The Narset + Echo combo is quite useful in combo heavy metas however. However either one into casting LED into Echo almost always win the game on the spot.
- Probably the biggest knock against him is the Grixis requirement resulting in a few moments where he was difficult to cast, but with Glimmervoids, Cavern, Spire, Opal and Petal, it hasn’t been frequent enough to be a dealbreaker. It’s worth noting that Mishra seems easier to cast in more Cavern heavy builds than Narset is.
- If WoTC ever prints something like Lodestone Golem’s static ability on a 2 mana artifact he’s kicking Narset to the curb permanently.
TLDR: Mishra is hella fun and surprisingly deece, give him a shot.
Activating a planeswalker ability is an activated ability. It follows roughly this pattern: you pay the cost, then you put the activated ability on the stack, then other players get priority. The “cost” with planeswalker abilities are the manipulation of their loyalty. Paying costs is part of putting the ability on the stack, so you can’t respond to it.
As already pointed out, Domri’s Ambush is a sorcery, so it can only be cast any time the stack is empty and it is your turn. So Ambush can’t be cast in response to the ability on the stack.
If you had used an instant, you still could only respond to the ability on the stack. So a) you have to account for the higher loyalty due to the activation and b) even when you destroy the planeswalker, the ability still resolves, as it was already on the stack. Think of this scenario: a planeswalker activates it’s ultimate at exactly the loyalty that it costs to activate. The planeswalker goes to the graveyard, but the ability still resolves.
So yeah, you are dead, sorry to break it to you 😉
Yeah, I miss my Arcum, it was such a clean list and play style.
Agreed, it is often more situational, but those situations are tailored to green game plans (draw on creature cast for example) and can be damn good. But yeah, Sylvan library is just broken and a reason to play steal enchantment in blue to steal those 🙂
Guy’s I’ve just finished making a mox jet, from polishing the jet to making the alloy (brass) and doing everithing but the chain.
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Sylvan library wants a word with you (and your wallet 😉 )
Of course. Check the cedh decklist database – lots of those decks run an average cmc of below 2. Even if I grab my more casual lists – my Kykar Equipment+Vehicle list, running some bigger equipments and vehicles even, bigger creatures and stuff, is running an average CMC of 1.85 over all 100 cards and an average of still 2.9 if I only look at non-lands. It is a list with several 6+ drops, so that pushes the non-land average up a bit, but 2.9 is very high. My Muldrotha list, running demons and other fun stuff, averages at 1.58 including lands and 2.48 excluding lands. And both are quite casual decks. Yeah, they actually do work and have a punch, but they are far from cedh. But I would count both of them more in the battlecruiser category. Even my Locust God list that runs a bunch of dragons / sphinxes and big wheel and twister spells runs an average 1.89 with lands included and 2.89 without lands.
My worst offender is my Golos Turns deck with 2.3 average cmc including lands and 3.8 excluding lands and that list is decidedly bad and “unfair”, as Golos cheats on mana. The deck is centered around Golos cheating and around extra turns with having all the mana available again and again and multiple “untap all lands” effects to reuse golos ability. But yeah, kill golos and it turns into a durdlefest and doesn’t do anything – and that’s why I keep my lists lean and fast.
My cedh Kenrith list runs an average of 1.34 including lands and 1.93 excluding range. And it doesn’t even run Ad Nauseam. But it easily could. My budget cedh Ukkima list runs an average of 1.26 including lands, 1.22 excluding Ad Nauseam (as you will never see AdNaus when playing AdNaus) but still including lands, and even excluding lands it runs 1.89. So I am guaranteed to gain a ton from an early AdNaus when my life total is still up.
You want your average CMC low and you want a curve that maxes out in the 2s or 3s and not the 4s, because you want to play your spells and you want to play multiple spells. Most stuff you play is cheap stuff, the bombs are just that – bombs you play late. And it is not a question wether you “can do that”. You have to, if you actually want to really play before T4. Sure, if you are in a “lets ramp until T4 and then smash big dumb creatures into each other” meta, that’s totally fine and all power to you, but even then I would probably lean more towards close to CMC 2 including lands and having just a small section of my deck dedicated to those big dumb creatures and most of the deck dedicated to cheap draw, cheap interaction, cheap mana dorks and cheap mana rocks.
Last example: I have a Syr Konrad list. Base don Commander’s Quarters budget Syr Konrad. That list got a bit updated, but mostly replacing similar cmc cards, just for more expensive cards that deliver more oomph. It runs an average CMC of 1.84 including lands and 2.84 excluding lands. So yeah, it is more heavy than most of my lists, but still – average below 2 including lands is a good place to be, or at least around 2. And an average excluding lands below 3 makes sure that you actually can play stuff on curve.
I was talking about budgeting down. I don’t want to remove Mox Diamond, I just have to when I want to reach budget 😉
Brainstorm, Ponder, Preordain, Portent, Sleight of Hand, Impulse are the one I go for first
I am not saying it will be as good, I am just saying not playing all the duals will hurt you less than in lower-color decks. If you run a TnT list with only shocks, you still have multiple ways to guarantee double X pips being playable – you can fetch a UB and UG shock to guarantee your double U for example. In an Izzet deck, if you need double U guaranteed, it gets hard – you only have 4 fetches that can get you there, because you have to fetch basics. The more colors there are, if you run a perfect fetch list (if you can pay for that, I guess you can pay for at least the cheap duals also, but that’s another discussion 😉 ), you have many targets for color fixing due to the multitude of shocks and basics.
So for example if you look at a Kenrith Evolution list, you will see all the duals, sure. But you will see something else: there are many colors (the side colors) that only are covered by duals, the corresponding shocks are not run. So you can in those lists easily replace the duals with shocks without much detriment. Yes, you lose a bit more life, but life is a resource and Kenrith Evolution usually doesn’t play Ad Nauseam, so you can feed that resource into your mana. Replacing the Volcanic Island in a Kenrith Evolution list with Steam Vents will cost you probably 2 life, but your mana spread stays the same. Even with TnT lists, you will see several color pairs where they only run duals, you can (unless your list runs Ad Naus) replace them with shocks, too.
On the other hand, many 3 color decks run all three duals and all three shocks already. Replacing the friendly pairs with their check lands can work, but can throw you back one turn if you are unlucky, but there is no replacement for the enemy paris. So in a jeskai list, you often need the Volcanic Island to have the same color spread, or you have to rely on other pairs, but there aren’t that many in a 3 color list.
Hope that makes it clearer what I meant with that sentence. The more colors the list is, the less duplicates of pairs are needed and replacing with shocks is easy, and in case of friend pairs replacement with check lands can work, too. The less colors, the more reliant you are on the available duals and the harder it gets to avoid duals.
yep, but as others say, you run a whole ton of draw spells and selection spells, and you run a deck with an average cmc below 2 probably (I have seen some decks go up to 2.5, but those often run 30 lands and not 28 like the super sleek ones). And one thing people often ignore: if you add up the mana sources in a cedh deck, you probably end up somewhere around 45 up to 50. Because despite the super low land count, you will find all the efficient rocks and dorks and land enchantments and whatnot, that help you to give you the needed mana. I might even go as far as saying that many cedh decks run more mana sources than many casual decks.
If I budget down a cedh deck, if I take out a super efficient mana rock, I don’t throw in a bad rock or value spell, I thrown in a land at first – it is crucial to hit your mana. You can get away with low numbers of lands, if you bring in two mana sources (a land and some acceleration) every turn, because if you end up with 6 mana T3, you are probably much better suited than the casual deck that played a tapped worn powerstone at that turn. And some cedh lists have quite a bit more than just 6 mana T3.
BTW: that’s why Pyroclasm can be the worst thing happening to a cedh deck in the current meta, it wipes out the dork based mana. Of course a cedh deck not only has the fast mana, it also has the fast interaction, so don’t just assume slamming a T3 pyroclasm or Anger of the Gods will resolve 😉
First, you run all the blue cantrips. Second, you run all the mana positive rocks and cheapest ramp pieces (even the land enchantments for G, all the dorks). You run all the fetch lands in your colors and the duals and shocks. You keep your curve avera…
It heavily depends on the colors of your commander. If you are in Izzet colors for example, there is only one fetchable dual that is not an OG dual – so if your list runs double blue or double red pips, it will be hard to guarantee those pips being available. So running counterspell and doublecast in one deck without OG duals might make you more susceptible to those cards stranding in hand due to missing double pips in the early game. It is easier in friendly pairs, as you have the cycle Prairie Stream is in – they can stand in on a budget to guarantee you two fetchable untapped duals in many situations.
The more colors, the more you can skimp on OG duals, as you usually don’t run that many double-color-pip cards, or can compensate by fetching two shocklands to guarantee the double blue for Mana Drain or Counterspell. Unless you run Ad Nauseam or Treasenous Ogre, in that case run as many non-pain lands as possible, because you need your life for those.
So for example in my Lavinia Knowledge Pool deck, I skipped the Tundra, because I run my copy in another deck. It’s not a problem, I can run Praerie Stream easily and in most games don’t notice the difference (the deck runs Back to Basics, so I usually have the requirements met by the time I fetch it).
In my Jhoira deck on the other hand, I either run a proxy Volcanic Island or switch it over from the other deck it is in when people complain, because that list wants two fetchable duals early on, as I want to be able to play both red and blue interaction in the same turn, for example (or play a blood moon and protect it with a counter spell, or play Back to Basics and protect it with Red Elemental Blast).