Category: Syndicated

Yeah, that is why Propaganda looks curious to me. It shows up in Teferi lists, but it only handles attacking creatures and crawlspace at least would have been a hate piece against creatures that can be tutotlred. Propaganda is not tutorable and is targeting something I wasn’t aware of being a big problem for CVT.

Mana web was just my thought of “why not that instead of Winter Orb”, but that is easily answered as you did. I just completely overlooked that detail.

Ah, ok, so that is what I missed. Of course, makes much more sense now. It restricts them to probably main1 and that is it, which allows them to still do most of what they want to achieve.

Still don’t get Propaganda, since no way to tutor it up and leaving hate pieces to random chance always feels weird to me. So I think I still would probably play some artifact based hate instead, or stuff that is cmc 2, to at least have lines to get them.

I’m in the same boat, but I fear it’s a janky boat, and not an especially reliable one. She isn’t fast enough, I think – at CMC 4, a commander should DO something when it comes down immediately, but she only sits there, looking pretty, and making your next spells better. If you survive to make your next spells. I mean, if you are prepared in your deck, you should be able to bring her out T3, but you will be tapped out. So you get benefits earliest T4 from her – but that’s when you actually should be going off and winning the game, if you are targeting storm. But that will be hard to do, because until you got her out, you were focusing on getting her out – meaning you play rocks and stuff to speed up your mana, which again means mostly dumping out your hand. But storm with an (almost) empty hand is less than satisfactory.

So I think the only thing she might work in would be a stax shell with some long-term plans. Those might include storm or a hard combo. But again, you either get early stax pieces out and hamper yourself (as your commander doesn’t really help making your stax pieces asymmetric) or concentrate on getting the mana to get her out, which means not many stax pieces can be involved.

I think she is much better with a different commander and herself in the 99 as an additional helper in the middle-late game. But I could be wrong and would like to be proven wrong, because damn I like her card (and was already thinking about tearing apart my Slobad / Daretti list and rebuild).

Since the banning of [[Winter Orb]], Teferi Lists show up to play [[Propaganda]] – which I think is kinda a bad one, as we don’t have good tutors for it with it being CMC 3 and an enchantment. So I was thinking, what could replace Winter Orb in our list? Could it be [[Mana Web]]? On paper, it reads really strong with forcing the opponents lands to tap by color, but it is CMC 3. On the other hand, if Propaganda can be played at CMC 3, maybe an artifact we can actually find could be played, too? Or is there something bad about Mana Web that I don’t see? And on the note of Propaganda: could [[Crawlspace]] be another option? Again an artifact we can tutor and a CMC 2 piece we can muddle. I get that it might be a bit too soft, as when there is only one creature attacking anyway, it won’t protect – but the 2 colorless from Propaganda won’t take people off attacking that often, either. So either I am a genius or I am missing something. I suspect the latter one, so please enlighten me 😉

Edit: it’s mostly about MTGO 1v1 format. But interested on how this changes in multiplayer, too.

Well, at least ancient tomb had a downside that made it risky to exploit it too much or in the wrong situation, although of course the situation it counted most – early game – that was not so much a big deal. But workshop can be played in anything that wants to drop cmc 4+ artifacts early game without any downside at all. It’s just an artifact ritual. I guess Teferi Chain Veil just became 700 euro more expensive now, because Teferi untaps lands, too, and wants to play tcv repeatedly. Or Daretti for his fast mana back for all those fun toys he relies on (ok, probably at max tier 2 deck, so in this case it might be good for the format). It just feels weird to ban fast mana that can help T1 plays and the unbanning fast mana that can help T1 plays if you play enough artifacts.

A more comparable stax piece would be Stasis. Which is still in, as is Personal Tutor on the tutor front. It is this inconsistency that makes me go wtf. I can totally understand not tomlike cmc 1 tutors and cmc 2 stax pieces, as quite often they will do what they are meant to, like making your situation much better with the right card early or in case of stax preventing the opponent to gain foothold. Early in the game that can totally wreck your opponents plan, so from the “fun” perspective I totally understand it. I just thought that 1v1 mtgo commander was meant as a tournament / competition game. But yeah, even wizard missed several of the options in the classes of cards they don’t want. As if people would say “oh, this is the worst cmc 1 tutor, so I won’t play it” instead of “this is the only cmc 1 tutor so I will play it”. Same with cmc 2/3 stax.

[[Copper Gnomes]] exists, but isn’t played. This is too expensive. I mean, this thing can bring out an artifact T5 when you T4 this and T5 use it. If you survive a T4 where you probably didn’t do more than cast this. Sure, you can T5 something big and with untaps even multiple things – but Daretti can beimg something big on the field much faster already. And Daretti can sit in your command zone.